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And why did they remove all AP rewards from the Apsaranta quests? They used to give tons of AP every week, now you get 0.

You can see the free rewards by hovering over them. I am already at stage 31 free daeva pass. The p2w daeva pass obviously has additional better rewards. You do the daily/weekly/season quests and get points. Every 100 points you unlock a daeva pass stage.

Apsaranta became too hard to level after 8.3. Even worse we have less 4/4 rewards now so it is more important to level them early. By the time we can reach level 5, we will most likely be close to the next reset again!

So are they implying that because we did it earlier we made good use of the holy system for enough time? How much is enough? Yes those that managed to do it the last weeks before they knew the relic will be deleted would be greatly scammed, but we are also scammed. I wouldn't have used 21 billion worth of holy water to raise my relic for such a short amount of time.

I agree. They can put it in a daily feature that bots can't easily do. Because even the 50 kill was more bot friendly than actual player friendly especially before we had the auto-hunt. When we got it, it became an auto-hunt thing.

I think what he means is that now more people will start doing this because that's the only way to make Luna now, which will increase the amount of players and a lot of people will not be able to be on the top 1000.

1) The hourglass is indeed not every day but it no longer expires and there are a few steps of the daeva pass that give an hourglass again. Sure thing if you need to be on a timed map every day it can be a hustle. You can buy some hourglass from the renown NPC with level 5 renown on multiple maps. *The hourglassed maps were never meant for anyone to be able to be there 24/7 unfortunately. 2) The daeva pass is a better idea, not implemented fully user firendly. --> In lugbug if you missed a day you missed all the rewards for that day, in daeva pass you do not miss anything, you keep the rewards for the whole season and unlock them in steps via quest points, --> The daeva pass has better rewards overall, ultimate enchnats, paragon enchants, a set amount of transformation fragments (only the legendary are too little) etc. The fact you can buy the steps is another good idea but they implemented it too expensive. So even if you cannot play a whole week you can always come back and do enough quests for enough points to unlock all rewards. In lugbug you would have missed a whole week worth of rewards. In daeva pass you can log once every 40 days and pay for everything and they unlock. As I said the idea is better, the execution might be faulty or too expensive. 3) The luna pouch issue is not an 8.4 thing, we still have the luna instance, NA removed the pouch from there and put it in lugbug daily, now they removed the lugbug and didn't re-implement the luna pouch elsewhere. If our servers never bugged due to bots in luna, the pouch would have still been there. 8.4 is irrelevant to that matter, this is clearly a NA feature. Also doing quests in apsaranta is rather easy, give it a shot, usually camp 1 on elyos and camp 2 on asmodians are super easy and those two camps flip every half an hour or so. ~~~ For daeva pass my only concern is that there are other seasonal quest that require to kill world bosses or enter some instances and I know will never do those, they give 250+ points, so I wonder if the daily and weekly points are enough to give me all the steps of the daeva pass for the whole season if I can't do those hardcore ones. And that is because the end reward has a lot of ultimate fragments for transformation.

OK, then 2,5B is not the cap on the XP bar from one thing. Yes kerub does interact with buffs and berdin stars, but they are not directly "quests" they are like apsaranta 4/4 rewards in a sense, at least they act like it. Normal npc quests that you take and give to npcs usualy do not interact with XP buffs, only tea of repose.

XP crystals are not affected by buffs or tea of repose, they only interact with Berdin Lucky Stars. Quests are affected by Tea of Repose, but not from XP buffs or Berdin Stars And some things are affected by all or a range of them. For example the 4/4 Apsaranta rewards are affected by XP buffs, I got 2,5B XP with coffin+rune buffs (I think this is a cap on level 85) XP buffs usually multiply each other, Berdin Buff is not interacting by any other active or passive XP buff, they work alone and only give XP based on the basic XP the source gives. ~~ To make both rune and coffin buff work you need to wear the rune and then do the coffin buff, if you remove the rune while you have both quests no buff works (even if you still have the coffin buff), it bugs, if you change server (from normal to shared or back) or go to character screen and back it un-bugs and works again. If you have coffin buff and want to use the rune too you need to wear the rune and either change server or go to char screen and back.

There is a threshold of when a game becomes unplayable. P2w is ok when it gives convenience over f2p, when it gives exclusive necessary items that are impossible to get just by playing the game, then it gets to the point of unplayability. Luna just became on of those things: important and p2w exclusive.

But it is a little too late, you can only make luna materials from luna weekly instance from now on.

Apsaranta keeps getting less player friendly in every mini patch. Flipping camps is near impossible unless a big/geared group does it. Getting 4/4 quest rewards is halved after 8.3 Leveling legions' renown in Apsaranta is time consuming and many times impossible because we need to flip camps and it might not happen. By the time we can reach a good level at renown, they get a rename (aka reset) so back to start. We are also unable to make a reasonable amount of luna in game for necessities.

It happens to everyone! And it is neither consistent nor something you can reproduce at will. It happens randomly.

Whatever problem people have with patches and updates and glitches into the game, there is one single issue you HAVE to solve for this to be regarded an official server. Whatever changes you did in the routing of the servers UNDO IT. We keep getting the same errors over and over again. Many times the launcher doesn't even open, it shows the icon that it is about to launch and then it is stuck there and eventually ti closes! ~~~~ Other times I see an error like this, and without a single change in my ISP, NAC, firewall, antivirus and other settings, next try it might not bring this problem. I have gottent his issue both with and without ping reduction services. ~~~ Other times we get this as mentioned in other topics as well: And equally many times we get this (image taken taken from Shaidessa's post): ~~~~~~~~~~~ I tested my connection with a ton of different sites and it is working 100%. People from USA also get this so it is not a problem that I am from Europe. This is a connection issue that happens towards your server exclusively, I have 0 problems with all other games I am playing, only aion is a hit or miss whether we can connect to the OFFICIAL NA servers. So far the experience we have in NA is like a 3rd class private server. You know what you changed to your hosting and this issue occurs, you keep making routing changes to make it cheaper to host Aion and you destroy the game before we can even log in to it. ~~ Fix your launcher or ditch it all together! It has only brought bugs so far.

I am only concerned that from now I cannot do fine retuning of the items unless I actually pay money. I would never waste luna to buy the p2w daeva pass myself. But anyway, I will wait to see what NCWest decides. This is not the first time they made a change based on player input. A luna pouch would only make the game slightly easier for f2p people, the p2w will always have the advantage, and p2w daeva pass isn't even one of them, that is merely convenience to them.

I think you missed the point for luna pouch in this post. Nobody mentioned the daeva pass. The daeva pass is indeed a much better feature than lugbug, you do not get rewards by doing the quests like lugbug, instead you get points and unlock steps, so this means if you miss a quest, you didn't miss the rewards of the daeva pass, you just have to do more quests to get enough points and if you miss a lot of days you are given the chance to buy some steps. The rewards are also better, Lugbug had RNG rewards while the daeva pass has paragon enchants, ultimate enchants and plastic surgery ticket and they are not given by RNG but are solid rewards. Lastly the memory shards for the transformations are also a fixed amount so less gambling on that too. ~~ The plea for luna pouch is almost irrelevant to the daeva pass. Luna is a currency required to get the buff for instances, special retune for items and craft things from the luna workshop including the kinah box.

P2w people would still pay for it even if the luna pouch existed. I have seen people spend thousands per month in the game, they won't be sorry paying 50$ or something to buy the daeva pass. So bringing back the pouch won't make a dent in the pockets of NCWest because the people willing to pay for luna will still pay for it. F2p people won't pay for luna now that it is p2w, they will just not participate in whatever luna is required which only increases the divide. F2p people wouldn't farm luna pouches to buy the daeva pass either. Luna is used in many more things and most people keep them for those purposes.

We need the pouch back some way, we have daily quests anyways, they could put it anywhere if they want to. We were the first region to have the luna instance, (I think RU also had it) EU got it close to 7.something. We had it since 5.x if not earlier.

So they will make them soul bound... how awesome! Maybe it is no longer possible, if what the other person said is true.

The only thing I can't wait to see is where they put the luna pouch. Everything else is going to be similar to EU.

Thankfully the weapon is at level 100 only, it is rather doable to farm those, especially with the help of alts from that campaign that gives a 1-time reward of 5x brokerable holy water. Once you get the weapon, you never have to do that 100 level again in future seasons since it is the same weapon. 300 of them is too much for just 2~3 months worth of stats!

So they gave 1 more week?

The luna coin recipe is always present on the "special design" tab in the luna workshop, it has been like this since 6.0. Sometimes it might appear on the today's designs too.

The last time we got an upgrade on Kerub quests it got replaced, but the first tab of the quests is giving practically the same rewards at the first cycle was giving, which is the kerub starting gear. So I assume that they will reset quests, probably upgraded and add a couple of things or remove some, but the first tab will definitely still give Kerub gear.

You might have been lucky, this thing sometimes doesn't show up and other times it persists, if you keep trying to login with the problem eventually it logs you.