@The Secret Cow Level if you wanted some extra info thrown at you from my observations, i will tell you that my sin has a +8 paragon dagger that, while dual wielding and with manastones subtracted, yields an extra 586 attack over a +15 Fighting Spirit dagger (attack is retuned on FS dagger to 270/275). however, if i remove my offhand weapon, the paragon dagger only yields an extra 21 attack. on templar i have a +8 paragon sword, however, it only yields an extra 26 attack over the +15 Fighting Spirit sword (which is also rolled to 265/275 on retune). so at that point, i was wondering if maybe the higher increase in attack was strictly for the dagger. but then i found someone who has a paragon dagger on their glad and the situation was the same. there was only a slight increase to the attack of using paragon dagger over a fighting spirit dagger. so my question would be, was the person in legion chat a sin by chance? cuz at this point, i feel maybe it is more so about the class than the weapon. i thought maybe it had something to do with sins passive and that maybe advanced dual wielding 5 passive is having more than just an effect on weapon damage. ive had my dagger since pre 8.0 and ever since 8.0 came out and i got a fighting spirit dagger, ive been trying to figure out where the extra damage comes from.