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Well today I remembered one thing I quoted from EU forum long time ago attack speed is define how much time before each auto attack will hit.

Let's start with ranger I believed most ranger got capped attack speed at 1.2 which means auto attack will happen every 1.2 seconds so what I do is use 2 skills per one weaving (sometimes it's 1 skill).I'm impressed with this because it look like I was spamming skills and I hardly see my auto attack(I know because I set combat chatlog showing normal and crit attack green) dps increased abit too I almost reached 6k dps.

So I use this knowledge with other classes such as chanter,glad(spear),templar it worked fine and I never run out of skills but problem occurred when I use this on sin,glad(dw),I lose dps with use 2 skills per auto attack.I analyzed and found out sin animation just too fast I should weave with every skill.Glad animation just too dam slow I haven't found a solution with glad yet.I noticed I can weaving with spear easier maybe because glad was meant to use spear because slow skill animation when I use DW it seems like skills slowed me down even when I use body smash chain (fastest animation short cd skill) it feels like the skill animation stopped my auto attack.It doesn't feel same with ranger who has higher animation time and attack speed.

I'm thinking to invest my essence points into pressure wave and abosorbing fury to see if I got more dps than DW if I do this.(server down before I get a chance to test it),my other option is let glad auto attack and see dps I saw other people let their char auto attack without using any skills and their dps still great.

Well I don't know if this thread is a question or not but if anyone got a tip about glad's DW I'm ready to listen :)

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I remember back when I started out playing Aion, it was my first combat MMO. I accidentally weaved while playing Chanter, and I noticed it because of chat log. I thought "Two attacks at once? It must be an exploit. I shouldnt use it and report it for it to be fixed". Fortunately, I forgot about reporting it. :P

#NoobDays

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Ok I try to weaving in instances templar,glad(spear),ranger,chanter passed easily and no problem at all.

Now I got troubles with sin,glad(dw) sin because there's an attack speed buff when this buff is up everything is mess up,I tried with 2 skill/an auto attack but it doesn't work good I end up spamming skills more.Glad(dw) is same as sin but worse because weaving is stopped my motion I feel like glad is not meant to use dual wield or greatsword they meant to use spears.

First I guess I gotta learn rhythm with sin I'll play glad with spear for now.Once I getting used to sin weaving I'll try glad(dw) later.

Edited by Neleth-KT

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OK I got results :D

On both chars DW sin and glad weaving every 2 skill = resulted lose of DPS lol.Glad just horrible it worse than you do nothing on glad and let your char auto attack.

Conclusion: Even it seems fast and you use skill non stop (look like spamming) but 2 hits from dual wield deals greater damage than a skill.So yep you should let auto attack happens as much as possible instead using skills which I think for DW you should weave for every skill.

I don't know how this works for 6.2 but I guess as long as 2x of normal attack still do damage more than a skill,it will not change anything but if skill deals more dmg than 2x DW then you can weave for every 2 skill.

Temp,Spear,Ranger,Chanter can get away with 2 skills/weave because their auto attacks deal less damage than their skills per hit.

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I'm sorry, what? If by "single weapon" physical attackers you mean Polearm/Greatsword, then you are wrong.

Never weave every skill if you are not dual wielding or a Chanter (only because of shortage of skills), as it will always result in a loss of DPS compared to weaving at least every two skills, no exceptions.

Edited by 1s2E5E81-KT

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4 hours ago, 1s2E5E81-KT said:

I'm sorry, what? If by "single weapon" physical attackers you mean Polearm/Greatsword, then you are wrong.

Never weave every skill if you are not dual wielding or a Chanter (only because of shortage of skills), as it will always result in a loss of DPS compared to weaving at least every two skills, no exceptions.

Chanter and Templar can weave every 1-2 skill (some skill with long animation like mountain crash can considering as 1 skill).Tested at ping 230 :)

However if your ping is below 100 then maybe yes you should weave every skill :D

The rest of the comment I totally agreed with you :)

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13 hours ago, 1s2E5E81-KT said:

Never weave every skill if you are not dual wielding or a Chanter (only because of shortage of skills)

 

8 hours ago, Neleth-KT said:

Chanter and Templar can weave every 1-2 skill (some skill with long animation like mountain crash can considering as 1 skill).Tested at ping 230 :)

However if your ping is below 100 then maybe yes you should weave every skill :D

My ping is usually between 25-35. As a chanter, if I have support stigmas socketed (which I do 90% of the time), I will absolutely run out of skills if I do not weave between every skill, even during chains.

If I have dps stigmas socketed, then I will just weave every 2-3 skills and not break up chains.

Edited by Vantheria-DN

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9 hours ago, Neleth-KT said:

Chanter and Templar can weave every 1-2 skill (some skill with long animation like mountain crash can considering as 1 skill).Tested at ping 230 :)

However if your ping is below 100 then maybe yes you should weave every skill :D

The rest of the comment I totally agreed with you :)

Chanter can only do it because of the lacking arsenal of skills and its fastest attack speed among single weapon users.

Templar should never do it, as it will always end up in a loss of damage, no matter what your ping is.

Actually, the lower your ping is, the more DPS you lose if you try to weave every skill instead of every 2 skills.

Edited by 1s2E5E81-KT

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Once upon a time, when the game was brand new and everyone was low level, people spammed their skills, then had this big downtime of autoattacking afterwards. People learned that if you animation cancel those autoattacks inbetween skills, you're still waiting the same amount of time for your skill rotation to come up, but you're adding more total autoattacks in. Where before you might do all your skills then autoattack 3 times, if you weave properly you would do all your skills and finish the last one right as the first part of the rotation comes back up again, but you will have autoattacked 7 or 8 times. same number of skills, 4-5 extra autoattacks, more damage.

The point of weaving is to find that balancing point - the point where you are just barely having new skills come off cooldown forever, so you are never autoattacking twice in a row. Sometimes that means you may use two skills in a row, and some skills you won't use at all because their damage is way too low or their animation is too long, but generally you will weave almost every hit.

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If you weave almost every hit as a Templar in order to avoid not having skills left, your rotation is bad/isn't optimal and you are losing DPS compared to someone performing the right one.

You should weave every two skills all the time while you are using greatsword, and weave every skill while you are using Sword + Shield.

Prioritize Bloodwind Slash and buffing up with Courageous Shield, then shortest CD skills first up to the longest CD ones in order, never forgetting about executing Bloodwind Slash asap when off CD and Courageous Shield every 10 seconds. If one/two seconds of "all skills currently on CD" happen, autoattack with Sword + Shield, as Sword's autoattacks have higher DPS than Greatsword's.

There's not really any uncertainty involved in this, everytime you try to weave every skill on Greatsword you have to wait for the next autoattack to start, thus losing time/DPS compared to proper form.

Edited by 1s2E5E81-KT

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It's about time I should update this.

After test many weaving on many classes dual or 2 hands there's no rule whatever u should weave every 1-2 skills or not.
You should just let it happens naturally you shouldn't wait for auto attack to happen no matter what,if you wait then you doing it wrong.

Remember you should have fun with weaving if you don't having fun with it then don't do it.
You're the best person who can tell what best for you always experiment for yourself and find what's best for you.

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