Attention NCSOFT. We requested three adjustments for the AION - Urgent.

[Bastikan-DN]

3 hours ago, Delessa-DN said:

I find your insulting of his describing a basic psychological process that is actually ingrained in most people (read: without having to think about it) to be simply ignorant. Whether it was his intention or not, that's roughly how it works.

We process all sorts of stimuli and create causal connections without even thinking about it; that's how you know that two people are different. That's how you recognize people or places or things. Humans like everything else rely on a combination of stimuli to process experience and information. Without such you would not be able to tell a thing.So yes, if you have a screen full of penguins it may very well be disorientating. Even knowing "the one dead center" is yours, that alone is an ingrained perception built on earlier perception that middle = you. It does not come from nothing.

Just because you are ignorant does not make others stupid.

So if another player makes a character that looks like you, you won't be able to play the game?  Does having your name over your character not give you enough hint to which character you are?  If you are fighting a boss where you need everyone to be standing right on each other, can you really tell which one is you, and if so, does it matter?  Also, does said boss allow you the time and space to enjoy your character model without killing you?  Maybe I am ignorant, I really don't see why it's so hard to figure out which character is yours.  If you are having such trouble, change some settings like turning off certain names, or make it show yours only.  

I am fully against the current state of transformations.  But saying that the game is unplayable is way over exaggerating things.  By the way, I have yet to play in a single group of more than 3 people where everyone had the same exact transform with the same height, stomach size, shoulder width, etc...  If you are saying you can process all this information while in combat, which you imply that is "ingrained in most people", then you should be able to tell the differences in each player's transforms, and in turn tell which character is yours.

So no, most people do not have this issue.

[Hazel-KT]

On 11/6/2018 at 2:14 PM, Aly-DN said:

The issue of candies has been raised and those so violently opposed to the look of the transformations said they never used candies. In fact one claims to have never used a transform for anything.. including events that required you to transform into something else in order to have skills to participate in the event. (Guess they won't do luna, either.)

You can provide information and talk about how we have seen something like this before, but being rational doesn't help right now. You can even talk about how you kind of like certain things about the patch, but all that will get you is attacked. 

Soooo. 

I'm glad you are enjoying the patch! With certain exceptions, I am as well.

Same here! In general, I'm really enjoying the patch. Coming back to Aion after a year is really nice, and the changes are pretty refreshing, though I'm still getting used to some of them. 

There are some issues I have w/ the patch, but largely they're very minor. The transparent transformation scrolls are one of them. Selling only 1 on bcm for a dollar a pop is pretty insane imo, so hopefully that's adjusted/changed in the future. However, for me, it's definitely minor and not game breaking like it seems to be for a few people on the forums lol. 

[Delessa-DN]

4 hours ago, Gensb-DN said:

So if another player makes a character that looks like you, you won't be able to play the game?  Does having your name over your character not give you enough hint to which character you are?  If you are fighting a boss where you need everyone to be standing right on each other, can you really tell which one is you, and if so, does it matter?  Also, does said boss allow you the time and space to enjoy your character model without killing you?  Maybe I am ignorant, I really don't see why it's so hard to figure out which character is yours.  If you are having such trouble, change some settings like turning off certain names, or make it show yours only.  

I am fully against the current state of transformations.  But saying that the game is unplayable is way over exaggerating things.  By the way, I have yet to play in a single group of more than 3 people where everyone had the same exact transform with the same height, stomach size, shoulder width, etc...  If you are saying you can process all this information while in combat, which you imply that is "ingrained in most people", then you should be able to tell the differences in each player's transforms, and in turn tell which character is yours.

So no, most people do not have this issue.

Way to quote me without actually replying to my points.

1) Yes that is possible, some people may indeed lose control of their character due to being overloaded with visual stimuli, in fact I have real life examples who often do terribly in video games due to this exact factor. They become disoriented and lose control when there are too many things to process.

2) A static name in theory does help, I imagine it's one of the reasons its an option, yet it does not override that some people simply be overwhelmed by the amount of data they need to process and lose control. Because it does not happen to you does not mean it does not happen. Not all humans are the same.

3) Again, it helps but it isn't a catch all solution. There are a combination of things that can be done that help visual recognition, appearance is one, a name tag is another. All of these add up, they are not independent entities.

4) No, it's not. People who react to flashing lights can end up with seizures; is this an exaggeration? People who are color blind might not even see period. Is that an exaggeration?

5) As I stated no two persons process things the same way, you presume that because you do everyone else does. Well call me shocked then, because if everyone was alike, I wouldn't have a job.

6) Your idea of "most people" is puzzling and not supported by empirical evidence. Instead it is an assumption on your end. Read some psychology papers maybe, you might learn something.

 

Presumably, you would do you well to assume less about other people and actually listen to them if you care enough to have a meaningful discussion. Applying your standards and what you experience to them and then attempting to tell them "I can do it so you can" is a logical fallacy. They are not you.

5 hours ago, Gwin-DN said:

What is really shocking me at this point is that we have no manifestation of NCSOFT about this. We are being completely ignored until now. If the idea of the forum is to create a channel of communication between the players and the company then they should say something, anything. Let it be yes, no, may be, one day, never, ... but something ...

Asian companies have no concept of customer service. Honestly if it wasn't for the fact that NC west is actually employing Americans and has an actual physical office (not a fake virtual address like many Asian publishers in the USA), I'd have been filing with the FTC already. Why? For online gambling practices.

This is the norm, not an exception.

[GenericUser22685]

agree my character was so pretty then just turn to skeleton the whole time

[Edmond-KT]

Again little kids, Transformations are optional, not mandatory; no Staff will pay attention to people 'demanding things' over OPTIONAL features.

[Esgalhathi]

Anyone who says "The Transformation System is optional" dont really play the game for real.

[Kailor-DN]

17 minutes ago, Edmond-KT said:

Again little kids, Transformations are optional, not mandatory; no Staff will pay attention to people 'demanding things' over OPTIONAL features.

Okay, then tell me how to disable kicking so I don't get kicked form every group and alliance when I refuse to use a transformation. Tell me how to gear up end game solo without doing any instances. Tell me how not to get ganked because my movement and casting speeds are not fast enough to even run away from the opposing faction.

Transformations are in fact MANDATORY if you want to play beyond just leveling alts.

[Aly-DN]

14 minutes ago, Bjorn-DN said:

Anyone who says "The Transformation System is optional" dont really play the game for real.

I would suggest that using the provided transforms in the events that had us transform (so you could use the special skills) wasn't optional either, but some people apparently participated in this events and refused to transform. 

People play this game in all sorts of unintended ways, though I agree with you for myself only. It is impossible to play without a transform. Then again for me personally it was also impossible to play seriously without candies.

[Aly-DN]

2 minutes ago, Kailor-DN said:

Okay, then tell me how to disable kicking so I don't get kicked form every group and alliance when I refuse to use a transformation. Tell me how to gear up end game solo without doing any instances. Tell me how not to get ganked because my movement and casting speeds are not fast enough to even run away from the opposing faction.

Transformations are in fact MANDATORY if you want to play beyond just leveling alts.

Sorry for the double.

If I am making a group, I don't want to fail. I would 100% kick someone that refused to use any transform. I would not kick someone because they had been unlucky and didn't have the best one. But no transform at all = kick. That just shows me that that person does not play the game the way I do. We just aren't compatible and I am not going to waste my time or ask the rest of the group to carry someone who would rather be pretty than effective. I don't deal well with people that aren't team players. But that's me.

You want me to tell you how to gear up without a transform? Make your own group and say in the recruit that transforms are optional or, if you indeed can't stand to even be near someone that is using them, that transforms are not allowed. Problem solved. 

You're welcome.

[Shirayuki-DN]

Atreia is a tough world, no wonder many Daevas go mad.

[Edmond-KT]

2 hours ago, Kailor-DN said:

Okay, then tell me how to disable kicking so I don't get kicked form every group and alliance when I refuse to use a transformation. Tell me how to gear up end game solo without doing any instances. Tell me how not to get ganked because my movement and casting speeds are not fast enough to even run away from the opposing faction.

Transformations are in fact MANDATORY if you want to play beyond just leveling alts.

Well bro, you should be the worst player in the server, because i never use transformations (or shards) and i've never got kicked out of a group, and i've been doing all the solo instances since the update not having any hard time. In fact, i've never seen somebody getting kicked because he doesn't use transformations. If other PEOPLE in the server don't want you in their groups, that's your problem; again, server should not (and mostly sure it will not) be modified based on people's whims. And sorry, but your reasoning is very absurd, under that logic, if tomorrow nobody invite Chanters into instances anymore i should start demanding that the staff allows class changing?

You should learn to distinguish in life between OPINIONS and FACTS. Transformations are optional and the stats they give are not part of your standard class stats, period. Doesn't matter if you like it or not, that is the fact. The game SHOULD NOT have any transformations (or running scrolls), it is an optional bonus to make the game more smooth

[Kailor-DN]

15 minutes ago, Edmond-KT said:

Well bro, you should be the worst player in the server, because i never use transformations (or shards) and i've never got kicked out of a group, and i've been doing all the solo instances since the update not having any hard time. In fact, i've never seen somebody getting kicked because he doesn't use transformations. If other PEOPLE in the server don't want you in their groups, that's your problem; again, server should not (and mostly sure it will not) be modified based on people's whims. And sorry, but your reasoning is very absurd, under that logic, if tomorrow nobody invite Chanters into instances anymore i should start demanding that the staff allows class changing?

You should learn to distinguish in life between OPINIONS and FACTS. Transformations are optional and the stats they give are not part of your standard class stats, period. Doesn't matter if you like it or not, that is the fact. The game SHOULD NOT have any transformations (or running scrolls), it is an optional bonus to make the game more smooth

SOLO INSTANCES being the keywords. Do BoS, CoE, Seige, etc... Now tell me you aren't just a handicap without transformations and, tell me groups that actually want to play and not carry you, like PuGs don't kick you. Maybe with legion mates that carry you or all go no transforms but, having enough legion member online isn't possible very often, if at all unless you're in one of the big legions on KT or DN. on EK, not happening at all and, in random groups, you get kicked for no transforms( or if orange penguin is all you have)

I don't blame them, unless everyone goes no transforms, the ones that don't transform lag behind, do slower and less damage and, take way long to do the run.

Still doesn't mean I'm going to pay to see the default appearance of my character. I have no problem paying for the boosts themselves, it's the paying to see my default appearance that's the problem to me. Now if those blue pots and transparent scrolls were the default and, visible scrolls cost more, that would be right - pay to change the default, not pay to see it. Pay for the boosts yes, buy not pay to see default.

I crafted and bought stat scrolls, food, beverage, etc... regularly, that isn't the problem. The number one thing is no speed boost without transforming. I can use manastones, food and beverages for the rest but, you can't get attack or movement speed without transforms.

[Guhvorn-KT]

LMFAO. All this crying over a scroll. Quit the game if you hate it then. Bloody aye. Nothing but crying since the transforms came out. Nothing on this patch is hard. Quit wanting to be spoon fed. Either quit. or deal with it simple as that

[Edmond-KT]

1 hour ago, Kailor-DN said:

SOLO INSTANCES being the keywords. Do BoS, CoE, Seige, etc... Now tell me you aren't just a handicap without transformations and, tell me groups that actually want to play and not carry you, like PuGs don't kick you. Maybe with legion mates that carry you or all go no transforms but, having enough legion member online isn't possible very often, if at all unless you're in one of the big legions on KT or DN. on EK, not happening at all and, in random groups, you get kicked for no transforms( or if orange penguin is all you have)

I don't blame them, unless everyone goes no transforms, the ones that don't transform lag behind, do slower and less damage and, take way long to do the run.

Still doesn't mean I'm going to pay to see the default appearance of my character. I have no problem paying for the boosts themselves, it's the paying to see my default appearance that's the problem to me. Now if those blue pots and transparent scrolls were the default and, visible scrolls cost more, that would be right - pay to change the default, not pay to see it. Pay for the boosts yes, buy not pay to see default.

I crafted and bought stat scrolls, food, beverage, etc... regularly, that isn't the problem. The number one thing is no speed boost without transforming. I can use manastones, food and beverages for the rest but, you can't get attack or movement speed without transforms.

Ahahah bro, i do weekly ALL those group instances with no transformation  (except siege, i don't pvp) and NEVER with my guild (those dudes are afk-specialists). Even more, i think i could solo CoE.

I've never, ever, seen a single guy getting kicked because no transformation, guys get kicked because they don't know the boss mechanics, they make the party wipe, they have poor equipment, etc etc. Problem is that you have been using the transformations and scrolls for so long that you now feel handicapped without them, but that's your situation, NCSoft is gonna reason logically, as i'm telling you

[GenericUser25154]

Ok, ok! 

 

Some of you have to be joking. I do not like the fact that i cant chose if i want to look like a cartoon or not unless i pay for it, but saying tou cant stand it?! Thats too extrene. Cant do instances that transform you into something else other than your character? Come on!

 

I do agree that we should get transparent scrolls for the same kinah price ingame, but thats about it.

 

Other than that, the ancient transforms need to be made more available ingame. Its too damn hard to get one (and before you say anything, i already got my ancient cat transform during the last event).

[Guhvorn-KT]

2 minutes ago, Konkers-EK said:

Ok, ok! 

 

Some of you have to be joking. I do not like the fact that i cant chose if i want to look like a cartoon or not unless i pay for it, but saying tou cant stand it?! Thats too extrene. Cant do instances that transform you into something else other than your character? Come on!

 

I do agree that we should get transparent scrolls for the same kinah price ingame, but thats about it.

 

Other than that, the ancient transforms need to be made more available ingame. Its too damn hard to get one (and before you say anything, i already got my ancient cat transform during the last event).

Pay for what? LMFAO. My legion members are f2p and they got ancient contracts LMFAO. Keep crying
P.S, it doesn't take more than 3 hours to farm 200mil+ selling crafting mats

 

[GenericUser25154]

14 minutes ago, Guhvorn-KT said:

Pay for what? LMFAO. My legion members are f2p and they got ancient contracts LMFAO. Keep crying
P.S, it doesn't take more than 3 hours to farm 200mil+ selling crafting mats

 

Pay to get transparent transformarion scrolls. Read it again.

 

And how are your friends buying contracts with kinah? Please enlighten me.

 

I got mine from the event.

[Guhvorn-KT]

2 minutes ago, Konkers-EK said:

Pay to get transparent transformarion scrolls. Read it again.

 

And how are your friends buying contracts with kinah? Please enlighten me.

 

I got mine from the event.

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[GenericUser25154]

12 minutes ago, Guhvorn-KT said:

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Im typing on my smartphone and it does that when i press "enter". I dont know why!

I noticed that you have changed the subject, though.

[Guhvorn-KT]

1 minute ago, Konkers-EK said:

Im typing on my smartphone and it does that when i press "enter". I dont know why!

I noticed that you have changed the subject, though.

Just make alts, u can buy a transform contract a week on per toon. Not hard to make an account full of contracts

[GenericUser25154]

1 minute ago, Guhvorn-KT said:

Just make alts, u can buy a transform contract a week on per toon. Not hard to make an account full of contracts

And you can attest that your legion members already got ancient transforms that way? Even if they have 8 characters its virtually impossible that they were successful with the ridiculous rates for exchanging.

Sounds like you are trying to minimize the problem with workarounds. We need a solution, and im pretty sure that the solution is not to level 8 characters to 80 and transfer them kinah using the broker, because you cant trade kinah anymore, just to get a chance on a ancient transformation. Just no.

[Guhvorn-KT]

Just now, Konkers-EK said:

And you can attest that your legion members already got ancient transforms that way? Even if they have 8 characters its virtually impossible that they were successful with the ridiculous rates for exchanging.

Sounds like you are trying to minimize the problem with workarounds. We need a solution, and im pretty sure that the solution is not to level 8 characters to 80 and transfer them kinah using the broker, because you cant trade kinah anymore, just to get a chance on a ancient transformation. Just no.

Yes, thats what they all did LOOOL ITS NOT HARD

[GenericUser25154]

Just now, Guhvorn-KT said:

Yes, thats what they all did LOOOL ITS NOT HARD

Sounds hard enought for me. But then again, i already got my transformation. You have to consider the casuals. Not everyone has the time to do that, and those people help to populate the servers.

[Kailor-DN]

4 hours ago, Edmond-KT said:

Ahahah bro, i do weekly ALL those group instances with no transformation  (except siege, i don't pvp) and NEVER with my guild (those dudes are afk-specialists). Even more, i think i could solo CoE.

I've never, ever, seen a single guy getting kicked because no transformation, guys get kicked because they don't know the boss mechanics, they make the party wipe, they have poor equipment, etc etc. Problem is that you have been using the transformations and scrolls for so long that you now feel handicapped without them, but that's your situation, NCSoft is gonna reason logically, as i'm telling you

You also get kicked for being one room behind and, you are becasue you don't transform for the speed boost. You get kicked for doing less damage than you could with transforms.

4 hours ago, Guhvorn-KT said:

Pay for what? LMFAO. My legion members are f2p and they got ancient contracts LMFAO. Keep crying
P.S, it doesn't take more than 3 hours to farm 200mil+ selling crafting mats

 

How? loose 30% to broker, not selling that way, that's just a kinah sink. If I want 1 mil for something, it has to go for 1.3 mil on broker - that's insane.

[Shirayuki-DN]

@Guhvorn-KT

#F2PDoneRight Its ok most people won't understand us hard workers.

@Konkers-EK

#JustF2PTryHardThings You won't understand let's stop the conversation between the both of you because you are on completely different levels of understanding.

O and let's just leave the 2 furry hating non xform trolls alone shall we? If people don't want to play the game as intended and like to blind fold themselves to the fact that broker tax is 13.4% not 30% then let them be. We've done enough.