Pandora Loot Sabotage

[Kinetika-KT]

It goes like this. Someone, presumably an Asmo spy, joins a Elyos Pandora alliance, when it wins, loots it, holds the loot so noone can roll, then allows some yellow manastones for roll and maybe enchantment stones. We never get to roll on ultimate and legendary manastones, and then we get kicked out. This happens a lot. And it's always the same character doing it, not even trying to be subtle.

I get it. It's war. All is fair in war and etc etc. Therefore it's totally ok to abuse a bad system (timed roll) and drive away what little playerbase we got left in this ghosttown where its hard to fill decent alliances for anything.

But my question is: is it possible to be a constant Pandora jerk in a legit way? How does he get to loot first always? Would a macro grant him the loot rights always, or does it require some illegal script or hack?

 

[DevilNest-KT]

i don't think it's an Asmo conspiracy.  IMO it's a combination of 2 factors:   Inexperienced/Careless Looter + AFK players.

if someone instead of Manually loot the most important items first (Ultimate & Legendary) just press Loot All it will be a mess and potentilly some good things will be rolled at last position.

Because there is only 14 or 16 items to be rolled between 48 players, 2/3 of the participants have 100% guaranteed to not win any roll at all and even if you are lucky to get a Manastone Box 70% of the manastones are useless ( i won several ultimate & legendary and never got a sinlge good one)

So some ppl simple afk for the quest completion, and just a single person afk can ruin your loot,  15 seconds waiting time for each item to be rolled, its like 4 minutes to loot everything, and i think the instance kicks everyone 2 o 3 minutes after you win.

 

[Shaidessa-KT]

This isn't just happening to you guys, it's happening on the Asmo side as well.

and yeah, it looks deliberate.

[Aly-DN]

Screenshot it and send a ticket to Support. Get multiple screens of this happening on multiple days.

I actually haven't seen this happen.

[Capa-KT]

4 hours ago, Aly-DN said:

I actually haven't seen this happen.

It started happening about two months back on KT-A, apparently we're the only server affected.

/tinfoil hat on
1) It could simply be ppl who have a stockpile of legendary or red manastones (and minion contracts) trying to make the price go higher by creating artificial scarcity (nobody gets them = their stockpile, from aether bloom and steel rake events, sells for more).
2) Okay so how loot works in pandora is that everything has to get rolled on, but if you get ported out, you can't roll anymore because you've not only left the original alliance which looted it, but are also on another map which makes you give up your right to that loot. So, if you hold that loot so long that everyone gets ported out before they can roll, whoever can get back to the chest in time (it stays up for 10min), can loot all the contents of the chest without anyone else being allowed to roll on it. Obviously, you can only get back there in time if you are coincidentally bugged (happened to me just once out of maybe 200 Pandora runs lol) and reconnect while still being on the Enshar/Cygnea Pandora location or...
if you glide hack over/no collision through the gate and run back to the chest like nothing happened. Other than the automatic TP when the pandora instance kicks you, you don't get kicked (I explored for a bit the one time I got bugged, but I spawned outside of the alliance so I couldn't loot the chest), so you can hang out there indefinitely until you hit return (you can also probably kisk in certain places near the gates because that's where ppl used to kisk up during Volatile Rifts and I doubt that the kisking zones changed- it's an old mechanic that doesn't let you kisk near Elite mobs). So that's one way to do that, and I'd imagine if people looted afterwards, it wouldn't even show up in a loot log because it wasn't rolled... maybe ? idk just a wild theory ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Just one of those new functions that weren't tested thoroughly enough and where something that's meant to be convenient (TPing everyone back to base automatically so you don't have to use a scroll/TP out) turns out to be messing people over. But also, I believe in Korea these manastones were obtainable through the cash shop at that time and everyone who wanted convenience would just buy them there instead of having 1/24 chance of getting one box, and then 1/15 chance to get the manastone they'd want. Hence, they wouldn't be looking for and then abusing bugs/glitches for no reason (or just blatantly gliding through the sky) like NA loves to do, and overall that explains why this glitch/exploit will never be fixed. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧

[Arhangelos]

14 hours ago, Afterglow-KT said:

It goes like this. Someone, presumably an Asmo spy, joins a Elyos Pandora alliance, when it wins, loots it, holds the loot so noone can roll, then allows some yellow manastones for roll and maybe enchantment stones. We never get to roll on ultimate and legendary manastones, and then we get kicked out. This happens a lot. And it's always the same character doing it, not even trying to be subtle.

I get it. It's war. All is fair in war and etc etc. Therefore it's totally ok to abuse a bad system (timed roll) and drive away what little playerbase we got left in this ghosttown where its hard to fill decent alliances for anything.

But my question is: is it possible to be a constant Pandora jerk in a legit way? How does he get to loot first always? Would a macro grant him the loot rights always, or does it require some illegal script or hack?

...we get the exact same thing happening in our side (Asmodians) and we never came here to blame an elyos spy. At a specific point we even knew who had an afk char there, he even had his alt's name similar to his main's, he went to pandora pvp and took his alt to pve to afk while when he has to roll he was not there and we lost loots. When we called him out he was super irritated as if we are telling him how to play the game and he even tried to justify himself saying he is going for the quest to get gold and finish his cubics. And now that we all did our ereshkigal cubics, we never even went to VT at all.

Another time an alt had the loot, to open the chest I mean and it took us like more than 1 minute to actually open the loot.

[Kinetika-KT]

@Capa-KT Wow so much science for something this dead. But how does this person Always gets to loot for the league? 

@Arhangelos-KT Im not talking about ignorance or negligence. That happens, its a part of the game and im not one to rage over such things. Well maybe over negligence slightly, but certainly not over ignorance. Im talking about the exact opposite. This person knows very well what theyre doing. 

[Aieryn-DN]

Haven't ya heard?, he, he - , dem darn Elys think we Asmodians pull feathers out of baby Ely wings at night, have contests counting them bragging when we get the most, and steal their lolipops, lol. (Aieryn laughs sinisterly), lol. (Sillyness set aside):

In all seriousness. My one Elyos is on KT and I have seen this happen twice in runs I was involved in. However As an Asmodian we wouldn't do something like this. I think @Capa-KT has it partially right. I think it is someone from the group just being greedy. That being said I have not seen anything like this on DN where I mostly play. Nor have I heard of it happening on any other servers before the last merge. Tho I'm not sure what exactly is going on to allow this to happen I do thank you, the OP and others here for your explanations and for bringing it up. For a while there I thought I was going crazy. I do the Pandora stuff a lot so this is good to know about for those few occasions when I want to see things from the Ely point of view, so to speak.

[Matsukamy-KT]

On DN asmos side what happens is, since there are no elyos most of the time, people just take a bunch of alts and dual box for extra rolls, and that's what screws the rolls.

[Gwin-DN]

There is a solution to this, but unfortunately NCS would need to listen to the players. They don't do it, so it's just a waste of time. If you send a photo, you will get an automatic message and then the support will say it is reviewing and cannot say what they will do. In practice they will do nothing and the case will be forgotten.

If NCS listened to the players ... A maximum loot time would be set. 7 seconds maximum and then the player would leave the loot automatically. That would solve the problem, but the focus of NCS is on texts and unimportant things.

I suggest you write down the name of the player who did this and do not accept him in your group next time.

[Capa-KT]

1 hour ago, Gwin-DN said:

I suggest you write down the name of the player who did this and do not accept him in your group next time.

They only do this from alts, and those alts they only specifically use for events or Pandora, so it's useless either way.

Simply deactivating the port outside would solve all of these problems. Or add a bigger delay to the TP, like 15 min after ending instead of only 5, so the saboteurs can't hold loot forever without someone else being able to open the box.

[Arhangelos]

22 hours ago, Capa-KT said:

They only do this from alts, and those alts they only specifically use for events or Pandora, so it's useless either way.

Simply deactivating the port outside would solve all of these problems. Or add a bigger delay to the TP, like 15 min after ending instead of only 5, so the saboteurs can't hold loot forever without someone else being able to open the box.

Yes, either leave people inside longer to loot everything or make the looting window last only a few seconds instead of 15 seconds. If someone is actively playing pandora he doesn't need 15 seconds to hit roll. There is no class roll there for people to take decisions, everyone rolls on everything.