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I'm a Aion player started 1.0 in 2009 and played unit around5.0, recently watched some old Aion videos and decided to return. However this is by far the worst decision I have ever made,.seeing how NC has profoundly ruined this game and how much players had to suffer.  99% Game content removed, 0 game improvement other than a slightly change in Graphics+ Hard pay-to- lose. More Bugs than it did 11 years ago. 0 Game balance but full of hacks and scripts. ETC.

 

Follow is the latest email I respond to them and this is the moment where I decide to walk this so called Aion out of my life 😃 Since NC dont give a fk about the players, pretty sure what happened in patch 6.0 will soon happen ,again and again😃 

 

" I spend 7K dollars in this game within these two months and got nothing in return, you NCsoft uses excuses over excuses, Apologizing after apologize. Not for once you actually did anything for the player, You'd go "sorry, any other question?"  LMAO

 

The RNG in this dumb game is horrifyingly low and you NCsoft keep your dirty Secret to not publish the rate(from what we Observing observing there is no rate at all), it is exactly how gamble and Casino works, even if Casino have better win chance, here in Aion you just ruins everything. NOT TO MENTION The damn game costed me 4.7K dollars in Game Of fate so I could at last only get a mount selection box. “Working as intended and Design that way” is what you replied to it. Well done you greedy NCsoft, changed Classic Aion to a Gambling house.

 

 I combine 4 grade A stage 4 minions and failed 3 times, I had to use all my tokens to retore that, but now you are telling me you do not apply the restore to the poor legendary contracts combine failure, DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW PAINFUL IT IS TO GET JUST ONE IN THIS DUMB GAME??

 

 If casting out the players is your soul purpose SO BE IT"

I have recorded the full video of spending 4.7k dollars  rolling the dice in the Game of Fate (scam), I'm lazy to edite it so I'm not sure when I'll post it online for ya'll to see.

 

Well, post your thoughts here, don't know when NC will delete this lol, I'm fed up.

 

Rip, True Classic Aion🔥

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9 hours ago, DarkSaber said:

The RNG in this dumb game is horrifyingly low

RNG is the single most important factor for making this game awful. Because it is everywhere and it only amplifies other injustices. Whatever you do has a chance of failure, small or big it doesn't matter. You cannot preplan your gameplay and set a goal, all you do is hope for the goal once you do the labor and you might keep failing.

A friend of mine spend a ton of money back in 2019 when we had that instance which gave us a random legendary transformation or a selectable one (1000 vs 2000 event coins or whatever that was). He did at least three times the entries I did. He ended up not getting an ultimate while I got 2!!!

Fast forward to 2020 Autumn when they eventually gave the ultimate promotion event... well my friend had already quit it around then end of 6.7 because he was already fed up. That guy was throwing money on the game and left because he was playing a casino, not an mmorpg and there was no fun in it.

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10 hours ago, Arhangelos-KT said:

RNG is the single most important factor for making this game awful.

RNG failure, and gear inequality are the way NCsoft have choosen to make them money. Don't expect it to go away anytime soon, even if players keep leaving because of it.

Whilst there are people crazy enough to spend  thousands of dollars on transformation or whatever,  the RNG failures are not going  to stop.

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Imagine blaming the game when you spend 7k...That is a you problem it has nothing to do with the game you are just wanting power with-in a video game and are now salty your money could not get you said power.

There are plenty of problems with the game but people spending their own money unwisely is not a problem for the company but a problem of the gamer themselves.

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I think the issue here is that this game requires money to sustain and there are people throwing them on the company, but the game is designed so no matter your money or effort... you are most likely going to fail.

If people like DarkSaber quit then the company has lost a valuable spender, that other friend of mine who quit during 6.7 was also a valuable spender and he played with their rules and shop as well and the awful hidden RNG that lies in the game, another friend recently stopped playing too and now plays archeage, he also spend quite some money on the game.

The complain here is that they have given RNG rates for everything, and when you think you are spending money on something that has specific chances, it turns out to be false.

Anyway, big spenders are usually more gullible when it comes to being "scammed" by the game, because they keep spending thinking it was bad luck on them, and realize after some thousands of dollars that they actually got played.

I would never spend money on Daishunerk Game of Fate for example, there is no way you can keep gambling for the last 2 faces and they are always a sad face and that's it while even when you win a good match the outcome is random and usually it is the reward you didn't need/want.

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Regardless of the money DarkSaber spent, he/she has every right to be mad at the game as much as I am, while I spend pennies for prestige here and there. The game sucks and it is not because he/she spent 7000$

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To much rng in one game imo...RNG in enchating gear/runes/gemstones/Daevanion skills/Stigma stones. Getting rank S minions (we need 3 now for next patch) and rates are horrible lmao...And now we got RNG gear boxes in 7.7 btw( MOST BORING PATCH EVER) spent milions and milions ap just to get what i do not need. 

Game not fun anymore ,to much RNG in getting anything we need

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2 hours ago, Steefy-DN said:

To much rng in one game imo...RNG in enchating gear/runes/gemstones/Daevanion skills/Stigma stones. Getting rank S minions (we need 3 now for next patch) and rates are horrible lmao...And now we got RNG gear boxes in 7.7 btw( MOST BORING PATCH EVER) spent milions and milions ap just to get what i do not need. 

Game not fun anymore ,to much RNG in getting anything we need

I feel the same way. The RNG has been getting worse from patch to patch. Back in Aion Classic it was much easier to +10 your gear and get the stones for it. Only real RNG  flaw was you lost all your manastones on a fail, but you could buy more from the broker. Same goes for enchant stones.

Up to 6.5 you could buy stones  on the broker. Now in 7.7 you can't and there are way more things to enchant.

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You're playing an "MMO" with like 100 players and you thought it was ok to spend thousands of dollars. Regardless of RNG that was just a dumb move. This game is dead and it's never recovering. The RNG will never improve. They will milk every cent they can out of the remaining players until there's not enough online to milk and then they will announce their sad disappointment of having to shut down the servers.

 

NCWest had plenty of opportunities to keep this game active, competitive and at every turn they picked greed and seclusion. They allowed gear inequality to get so out of control from P2W that you can't compete without spending significant amounts of money.

 

If you're still this day and age spending money it's not really within your right to complain, it's your own personal spending habits to blame. You shouldn't be spending the money unless you see the value in it. You somehow saw value in gambling, and then regret it when the gamble didn't go your way. It's not like they're secretive about the shit RNG in their P2W garbage. It's been trending worse and worse with every patch since 3.0. I sympathize with your anger but you can't even blame them at this point. It's so blatantly obvious it's at the end of its rope and the intent is only to milk the dead cattle, that you really only have yourself to blame.

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On 1/1/2021 at 9:42 PM, Arhangelos-KT said:

"RNG is the single most important factor for making this game awful. Because it is everywhere and it only amplifies other injustices. ..."

gambling is probably as old as prostitution. Unfortunatelly it worked in the past, works today and will work in the future

On 1/1/2021 at 12:31 PM, DarkSaber said:

" ...I spend 7K dollars in this game within these two months and got nothing in return, ..."

That is the main issue with gambling. You are tempted to pay cause you think you can get something nice, but the rates are always against the players. 

On 1/2/2021 at 5:26 AM, DarkSaber said:

"Working as Intended and designed it that way"   -----NCsoft GM..."

And unfortunatelly this is the way it is supposed to work. The players are supposed to expend lots of money trying to get something. And the rewards wont be easy so they keep their importance and the people keeps wasting money. 

Now. We all know how gambling works. I don´t like it. I never do it. But some people do. If you use real money in something like that (a Casino, a gacha game or Aion), then you must know that not only you are risking to waste your money. You are also part of the issue by keeping it working. The best way to fight this, is to not pay for something related with rates. If nobody buy those RNG items, they will have to sell something different. If you spend $7K they will add more RNG items to the store. 

Unfortunatelly, Arhangelos is right. Now everything in the game involves RNG and sometimes you have many steps with chained RNG . And that is combined with the huge amounts of time required in farming repetitive tasks (Luna, Abyssal, Renown, sieges, ...). At the end you will have a lot of times when after using your RNG items you will feel like you wasted a lot of hours or even days of gameplay. And the worse part is that you really need to do that if you want to play endgame content. 

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Azzmaria-KT said:

 

gambling is probably as old as prostitution. Unfortunatelly it worked in the past, works today and will work in the future

That is the main issue with gambling. You are tempted to pay cause you think you can get something nice, but the rates are always against the players. 

And unfortunatelly this is the way it is supposed to work. The players are supposed to expend lots of money trying to get something. And the rewards wont be easy so they keep their importance and the people keeps wasting money. 

Now. We all know how gambling works. I don´t like it. I never do it. But some people do. If you use real money in something like that (a Casino, a gacha game or Aion), then you must know that not only you are risking to waste your money. You are also part of the issue by keeping it working. The best way to fight this, is to not pay for something related with rates. If nobody buy those RNG items, they will have to sell something different. If you spend $7K they will add more RNG items to the store. 

Unfortunatelly, Arhangelos is right. Now everything in the game involves RNG and sometimes you have many steps with chained RNG . And that is combined with the huge amounts of time required in farming repetitive tasks (Luna, Abyssal, Renown, sieges, ...). At the end you will have a lot of times when after using your RNG items you will feel like you wasted a lot of hours or even days of gameplay. And the worse part is that you really need to do that if you want to play endgame content. 

 

 

So, do NCsoft have an online gambling license?

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On 1/1/2021 at 10:31 AM, DarkSaber said:

I'm a Aion player started 1.0 in 2009 and played unit around5.0, recently watched some old Aion videos and decided to return. However this is by far the worst decision I have ever made,.seeing how NC has profoundly ruined this game and how much players had to suffer.  99% Game content removed, 0 game improvement other than a slightly change in Graphics+ Hard pay-to- lose. More Bugs than it did 11 years ago. 0 Game balance but full of hacks and scripts. ETC.

 

Follow is the latest email I respond to them and this is the moment where I decide to walk this so called Aion out of my life 😃 Since NC dont give a fk about the players, pretty sure what happened in patch 6.0 will soon happen ,again and again😃 

 

" I spend 7K dollars in this game within these two months and got nothing in return, you NCsoft uses excuses over excuses, Apologizing after apologize. Not for once you actually did anything for the player, You'd go "sorry, any other question?"  LMAO

 

The RNG in this dumb game is horrifyingly low and you NCsoft keep your dirty Secret to not publish the rate(from what we Observing observing there is no rate at all), it is exactly how gamble and Casino works, even if Casino have better win chance, here in Aion you just ruins everything. NOT TO MENTION The damn game costed me 4.7K dollars in Game Of fate so I could at last only get a mount selection box. “Working as intended and Design that way” is what you replied to it. Well done you greedy NCsoft, changed Classic Aion to a Gambling house.

 

 I combine 4 grade A stage 4 minions and failed 3 times, I had to use all my tokens to retore that, but now you are telling me you do not apply the restore to the poor legendary contracts combine failure, DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW PAINFUL IT IS TO GET JUST ONE IN THIS DUMB GAME??

 

 If casting out the players is your soul purpose SO BE IT"

I have recorded the full video of spending 4.7k dollars  rolling the dice in the Game of Fate (scam), I'm lazy to edite it so I'm not sure when I'll post it online for ya'll to see.

 

Well, post your thoughts here, don't know when NC will delete this lol, I'm fed up.

 

Rip, True Classic Aion🔥

External discussion on the forums to read: 

 

Look man, although I agree with you completely? You're the problem here, and people like you.  You just dumped thousands of dollars into the game to try to prove a point? The only point you proved (that matters to NCSOFT) is that they can make money hand over fist from whales with this business model. All you've done is help exacerbate the problem in the long run. They don't care about your words, they care about whether or not you're spending money and you just spent more than the average player will on this game in years.

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On 1/4/2021 at 3:23 AM, Ferk-DN said:

So, do NCsoft have an online gambling license?

Nope. 

But computer games or apps or similar things don´t need a gambling license yet. Are so new topics and the people creating the laws are usually old peple and they dont work so much. 

yet in some countries they are starting to study this new bussiness and it seems laws could be adapted in some time. The main issue is that they use real money in the gambling features and also we have kids playing (and yes, there is an advice and it is supposed that parents read the terms of use. But there is not a real heavy barrier managed by the game owners preventing childrens and real money to be mixed in the gambling things). 

But now, NCSoft and all the other companies with online games or gacha apps dont have and don´t need a gambling license. 

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3 hours ago, Azzmaria-KT said:

But computer games or apps or similar things don´t need a gambling license yet. 

Online games are not gambling companies because they sell you items (virtual ingame goods) and then you use those to play the game even if it has gambling ingame with the items you purchased. The reason it cannot be regarded gambling is that there is no way you can cash out your virtual goods back into real money via the company.

If NCSoft sold and ingame gambling currency like luna, to go to Daishunerk's Game of Fate, earn goods and then give you back real money based on the reward you got from that game, that would have been regarded a gambling company.

NCWest is selling you virtual goods, and that is where it stays, you got a virtual good which in game has a chance to be something or something else of no actual real-money value.

This is why EVERY single company has the rule that selling ingame goods for real money is a banable offense, not because they think this will ruin their game, but because they have to disclose it otherwise they might be caught into legal action.

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11 minutes ago, Arhangelos-KT said:

Online games are not gambling companies because they sell you items (virtual ingame goods) and then you use those to play the game even if it has gambling ingame with the items you purchased. The reason it cannot be regarded gambling is that there is no way you can cash out your virtual goods back into real money via the company.

If NCSoft sold and ingame gambling currency like luna, to go to Daishunerk's Game of Fate, earn goods and then give you back real money based on the reward you got from that game, that would have been regarded a gambling company.

NCWest is selling you virtual goods, and that is where it stays, you got a virtual good which in game has a chance to be something or something else of no actual real-money value.

This is why EVERY single company has the rule that selling ingame goods for real money is a banable offense, not because they think this will ruin their game, but because they have to disclose it otherwise they might be caught into legal action.

you are right about the rewards. It is not money. 

Yet, in many cases they can produce the same behaviour in the people. And we have kids. 

And in adition to that, even if is against the terms of use, the real thing is that we have a lot of trade with real money. They can´t avoid it and some of the changes and mechanics even encourage people to do it. 

 some goverments are starting to look at this. 

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When you go to a casino you don't play with real money either, you use casino tokens, not unlike BC Coin.

This kind of stuff is under scrutiny right now.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10899-020-09946-1

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30462669/


 

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Loot boxes are items in video games that can be paid for with real-world money and contain randomised contents. In recent years, loot boxes have become increasingly common. There is concern in the research community that similarities between loot boxes and gambling may lead to increases in problem gambling amongst gamers. A large-scale survey of gamers (n = 7,422) found evidence for a link (η2 = 0.054) between the amount that gamers spent on loot boxes and the severity of their problem gambling. This link was stronger than a link between problem gambling and buying other in-game items with real-world money (η2 = 0.004), suggesting that the gambling-like features of loot boxes are specifically responsible for the observed relationship between problem gambling and spending on loot boxes. It is unclear from this study whether buying loot boxes acts as a gateway to problem gambling, or whether spending large amounts of money on loot boxes appeals more to problem gamblers. However, in either case these results suggest that there may be good reason to regulate loot boxes in games

 

 

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7 hours ago, Ferk-DN said:

When you go to a casino you don't play with real money either, you use casino tokens, not unlike BC Coin.

This kind of stuff is under scrutiny right now.

When you leave the casino you give the tokens back and get real money, so that is actual gambling. The only reason they do not use the actual money is because they need to be able to toss around the currency without fearing it will rip. Plus someone could throw in some counterfeit currency so they can't take money on the fly. You go to the register to turn your real legit money to tokens, they make all the tests on your real money and if you had any fakes they would know it there.

Tokens in casinos are just a security thing, they have real money value and you cash out on the way out.

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NCSoft RNG pouches etc are like a surprisee gift.

Do you have the "lucky bag" toy in your country? We have them, they cost 1~5 euros depending on size and they have a toy that you do not know exactly what it is, the bag has an image that has a hint of what the contents might be or the theme (girl toys, boy toys etc)

It would be regarded gambling if it could have had real money in it or something that the same company would accept back for exchange in real money, but that is just a random toy.

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This is exactly what we get when we buy a transformation contract for example, you bought a "random" transformation, you already know that and the company doesn't exchange the outcome with money, you cannot make a profit with it with the company.

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What arhangelos stated is 100% true this is why this whole loot boxes is gambling thing hasn't really gotten anywhere and they are trying to butt pull to find loopholes. Sure it sucks, it really does, but it is not gambling in any normal sense of the word and trying to alter the word means that honestly anything is gambling. Whats next you buy a bag of candy and you get upset there were only 13 red pieces when you wanted at least 20 and your friends bag of candy had 26 red pieces. Come on guys its called self restraint you know the goods are virtual and worthless

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18 hours ago, Azzmaria-KT said:

you are right about the rewards. It is not money. 

1) Yet, in many cases they can produce the same behaviour in the people. And we have kids. 

2) And in adition to that, even if is against the terms of use, the real thing is that we have a lot of trade with real money. They can´t avoid it and some of the changes and mechanics even encourage people to do it. 

3)  some goverments are starting to look at this. 

Here are a few things though:

  1. Gambling can be addictive and smoking can be addictive, but smoking is not gambling by any means. Addiction is not an exclusive feature of gambling by nature, gambling is a feature of addictions, and all addictions are not relevant to each other. Being addicted to gaming cannot be held under glambling laws as they are irrelevant, also shopping addiction (real or ingame shopping) is also not gambling.
     
  2. Real money trade within the game is a players' fault and it also against the company's rules. The company cannot be held responsible for people selling in game good for real money to other people. To totally avoid that they would have to completely lock everything and close the broker within the game.

    Another thing someone can sell is "die on purpose to someone else" because he got paid. We are asking for the gaming company to make sure people won't make any real money via the game and this is not reasonable to even ask for.
    Imagine if someone downloaded illegal videos on a computer and someone filed a lawsuit against microsoft for making windows because this is the OS the offender used or even worse accuse the company that made the monitor because this is where the offender saw the illegal footage.

    *There is also an age limit to play aion and it is in the rules.
     
  3. This is a sad thing, imagine we want freedoms and then we admit that we are nothing but easily manipulated people with the mentality of a kid and we are prone to addiction and we want a big government to help us have a good life against an evil gaming company. People are asking for a government to interfere with the game to prevent them from spending more. Even if the company gave out the chances to get an item you could still spend thousands and never get the thing you want as long as there are "chances" to get the item.

    They could of course remove all possible RNG from the game and this would fix all people's problems I guess.

I never understood people spending thousands on this game, especially those that already saw that the odds are usually very bad. Once you get tricked into it once, you should know not to buy anything again.

If you buy food from a store and find out it was bad, would you go back to eat on that store again? I know I wouldn't take a second chance.

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10 hours ago, Arhangelos-KT said:

When you leave the casino you give the tokens back and get real money, so that is actual gambling. ..

Except when you loose all your money, like many do, and have no tokens to cash in.

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