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When I first heard that you will release Lineage 2 Classic, I was literally blown away. 

You (more or less) promised that you will follow THE same exact ..path from L2 Vanilla. A quick "check" on the EU version of L2 Classic, which .. was almost the same experience as with L2 Vanilla, made me ..believe that you will really do just this.

Launch day was close. I've pre-ordered 3 Packs ( Alts for Multiboxing ). Then here comes the launch. Spoil was nerfed to the ground. Adena Drop rates were nerfed to the ground. The cash shop was literally P2W with SS and scrolls, etc. The forums were FULL of people asking "Why?! Give us the original version!!". Nope, you didn't want to listen. 2 month after the launch, i /quit. Just now I visited the forums from L2 Classic and the latest Patch Notes from your .. latest Update. While reading them, I literally scrolled up to see if I'm looking at the Live Version of L2 or Classic. Yes, unbelievable what you've done with L2 Classic. Is in the worst shape. People barely post on the forums so I assume, you .. did NOT do a good job at maintaining L2 Classic .. as it should. Imagine if you would do so, and release C5. All the private servers would of been dead ( not really but .. you got the idea! ).

Anyway. Now is Aion time to get a...Classic launch. I was there day 1 when you launched Aion in EU/NA...up until you SOLD us to Gameforge, which is one of THE worst publishing company ever. Yup, you sold your precious EU customers to Gameforge. That was the first BIG "black ball" you got it from me. You got a second one with L2 Classic.

I AM willing to give you another chance with Aion Classic, simply because you started it with the ...right foot by adding subscription, rather than make it F2P with a P2W cash shop ala L2 Classic. But I'm not holding up my breath. You are NcSoft after all. You have 2 "black balls" from me. I really, really hope that you will not get the 3rd one. At least not with Aion Classic.

No matter how you do it, do it right NcSoft. Listen to the players ( customers ), even if it requires to ..change your "plans" you had for the game at the beginning. You created the game, but players are moving it forward, not you!

Here is hoping that Aion Classic will stay true to the Vanilla Version and hopefully, at some point .. we are going to see this : 

 ..rather than some P2W extravaganza updates.

Good luck!

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I don't know why you wasted your time writing up this thread. NCsoft will not read it nor care if they actually do. There already is p2w in the classic. It's called the daeva pass. 

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4 minutes ago, 5s17B0E7 said:

I don't know why you wasted your time writing up this thread. NCsoft will not read it nor care if they actually do. There already is p2w in the classic. It's called the daeva pass. 

None of the things in there are tradeable (according to aioncodex). The only concern is whether you can buy multiple times like they did in Korea to farm the Ancient Crowns for AP. The pass to me so far seems pay for convenience instead, but the basic (free) version gives mostly same items.

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1 minute ago, Kubei-DN said:

None of the things in there are tradeable (according to aioncodex). The only concern is whether you can buy multiple times like they did in Korea to farm the Ancient Crowns for AP. The pass to me so far seems pay for convenience instead, but the basic (free) version gives mostly same items.

Copium

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1 hour ago, Lollichop said:

I remember that video...I remember wanting the whip so badly, the change of seasons and the housing. 

Exactly! Video came 2 or so months after the release in EU/NA. I though this will be going to be "The best game ever!".

Oh well! 

1 hour ago, 5s17B0E7 said:

I don't know why you wasted your time writing up this thread. NCsoft will not read it nor care if they actually do. There already is p2w in the classic. It's called the daeva pass. 

I don't care if they read it or not. I did my part "as a community player", to "let them know" about my ..thoughts. If they don't read it , that's fine. Their lose, not mine.

About the P2W in Classic. I will take that "P2W" any day than the P2W in L2 Classic at Launch. Don't worry! The moment they will make Aion Classic shop to look close to L2 Classic, I will /quit it instantly. 

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5 minutes ago, IceAge said:

About the P2W in Classic. I will take that "P2W" any day than the P2W in L2 Classic at Launch. Don't worry! The moment they will make Aion Classic shop to look close to L2 Classic, I will /quit it instantly. 

Okay.

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1 hour ago, Kubei-DN said:

None of the things in there are tradeable (according to aioncodex)

Enhance stones from boxes obviously are. Also there are 400x silver/gold/plat coins to buy bis gear as only u reach required level. It won't skyrocket some1 to the top of the world, but advantage is rather decent if you know what to do with being couple days ahead of others (hello abyss pve ap grind)

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Yes, I've seen that, and people should be concerned about that.

Perhaps @Kibbelzwould be kind enough to let the team actually remove that from the pass? Or make them untradeable, maybe even nerf the reward, otherwise it's going to be p2advantage, which then leads to p2w. 

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2 minutes ago, Kubei-DN said:

Yes, I've seen that, and people should be concerned about that.

Perhaps @Kibbelzwould be kind enough to let the team actually remove that from the pass? Or make them untradeable, maybe even nerf the reward, otherwise it's going to be p2advantage, which then leads to p2w. 

I am entirely in support of this.  And I'll go one step further; I'd be happy with the bulk of the 'Pay2Win' items being replaced by cosmetics and more novel items, rather than items that are going to leapfrog people ahead.

To be clear, I'll be buying regardless.  But I don't want an ecosystem where you have people paying to be on top preying upon people who cannot, making a miserable existence for most of these players and driving them away as they get farmed.

If the rewards are the same for Free to Play players, but paying for it just gets them earlier, then cool.
If paying gets me scrolls and consumables that might help grinding, but not ultimately set me ahead themselves, then cool.

I don't expect a response to this however..

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They could do that level of visuals with the Guildwars2 game engine, or perhaps the UE4 engine, but not with the cryengine Aion is based on, it can't handle high detail without high lag.

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i would like to see more tradeable items and hopefully an additional monthly sub. I likely wont have the time in a day to complete all of the missions in a daeva pass, so Ill be relegated to just buying all of the rewards flat out. However it would be much more fair if these two subs were just monthly and solely based on money spent instead of also requiring additional time spent completing silly quests. Those probably are not things I would consider doing and I already paid for the premium items. I would like to see an additional sub, but only if they all behave like the siels aura and benefits are granted automatically.

 

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3 minutes ago, Guest dolladollabillsssss said:

i would like to see more tradeable items and hopefully an additional monthly sub. I likely wont have the time in a day to complete all of the missions in a daeva pass, so Ill be relegated to just buying all of the rewards flat out. However it would be much more fair if these two subs were just monthly and solely based on money spent instead of also requiring additional time spent completing silly quests. Those probably are not things I would consider doing and I already paid for the premium items. I would like to see an additional sub, but only if they all behave like the siels aura and benefits are granted automatically.

 

So you want all the rewards without working for them, is what I read.

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Thanks for all the feedback and discussion here. I've definitely seen the overwhelming sentiment towards ensuring that Aion Classic is not overwhelmed by any P2W mechanics.

This is something I will continue monitoring closely for, and will inform the team if the players feel we are leaning too far in one direction. I cannot promise I will be listened to on everything, but I wouldn't be sharing it if I didn't think there was a good chance on most :)

 

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1 minute ago, Kibbelz said:

Thanks for all the feedback and discussion here. I've definitely seen the overwhelming sentiment towards ensuring that Aion Classic is not overwhelmed by any P2W mechanics.

This is something I will continue monitoring closely for, and will inform the team if the players feel we are leaning too far in one direction. I cannot promise I will be listened to on everything, but I wouldn't be sharing it if I didn't think there was a good chance on most :)

 

Thanks for posting.

Most of the  Classic community realizes the money has to come from somewhere, and are prepared to pay the subscription if it keeps p2w out of the game.

Nobody seems to object to cosmetic item additional purchases. Even things like emotes, just nothing that will imbalance combat by letting people pay to get better gear in less time.

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3 hours ago, Kibbelz said:

Thanks for all the feedback and discussion here. I've definitely seen the overwhelming sentiment towards ensuring that Aion Classic is not overwhelmed by any P2W mechanics.

This is something I will continue monitoring closely for, and will inform the team if the players feel we are leaning too far in one direction. I cannot promise I will be listened to on everything, but I wouldn't be sharing it if I didn't think there was a good chance on most :)

 

Somehow, glad to hear that. As others have said, things like Emotes, Costumes are more then welcome. Heck, I will be OK even with XP scrolls and alike to be in-shop. Anything basically, but not P2W items. 

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33 minutes ago, IceAge said:

Somehow, glad to hear that. As others have said, things like Emotes, Costumes are more then welcome. Heck, I will be OK even with XP scrolls and alike to be in-shop. Anything basically, but not P2W items. 

And NO AP consumables, thank you.

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what the current management need to understand about their current suitation now is that a game like FF14 has failed, remade and dominated mmo's WHILE they under the subscription with no p2w model. what they also have to understand is that their retail  product no longer has an edge (except nostalgia) over any other mmo's. they also need to know, there's alot of bad blood between NCwest/NCkorea and their playerbase for 10 years of broken promises.

i know i don't want to see this "class warfare" between those that pay for a sub and those that don't or cant' pay. the current management need to know it was precisely this that drove 95% or more away from their game back in 3.x. 

classic aion was a subscription based mmo. it was subscriptions that paid for 2.0 aion. it was subscriptions that paid for mainstream advertising. it was subscriptions that paid for liciencing songs from KPOP groups. all of these generated hype back then; so much so that aion was touted as a 'wow killer'. current retail can only claim to kill itself.

please understand, the people coming back to classic know they are the majority and maintain the essense of a true Massively Multiplayer Online game. the people coming back are under the view that retail aion is more of a single player casino than a multiplayer game, let alone a massively multiplayer game. 

we're expecting to be impressed. not expected to impress your investors.

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13 hours ago, Kibbelz said:

Thanks for all the feedback and discussion here. I've definitely seen the overwhelming sentiment towards ensuring that Aion Classic is not overwhelmed by any P2W mechanics.

This is something I will continue monitoring closely for, and will inform the team if the players feel we are leaning too far in one direction. I cannot promise I will be listened to on everything, but I wouldn't be sharing it if I didn't think there was a good chance on most :)

 

Okay 

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13 hours ago, Kibbelz said:

Thanks for all the feedback and discussion here. I've definitely seen the overwhelming sentiment towards ensuring that Aion Classic is not overwhelmed by any P2W mechanics.

This is something I will continue monitoring closely for, and will inform the team if the players feel we are leaning too far in one direction. I cannot promise I will be listened to on everything, but I wouldn't be sharing it if I didn't think there was a good chance on most :)

 

I really do hope this will happen and prevent the same disaster like L2 classic.

I am like IceAge is: I was so hype with L2 classic, hoping to see "my" old game, and every day they make it closer to Live. They dont realise that when ppl go to a CLASSIC its because they DONT WANT THE CRAP that live became. I understand that expantions are the going on lore and upgrades for the game/story, but they never ever were well planned (in ANY NCsoft game).

I "play" 3 of NC games. All 3 went fine till one point. And then started to decline. Hope came with classic versions... but one is already sinking. Lets pray that the second wont....

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4 hours ago, Asmodir-DN said:

I really do hope this will happen and prevent the same disaster like L2 classic.

I am like IceAge is: I was so hype with L2 classic, hoping to see "my" old game, and every day they make it closer to Live. They dont realise that when ppl go to a CLASSIC its because they DONT WANT THE CRAP that live became. I understand that expantions are the going on lore and upgrades for the game/story, but they never ever were well planned (in ANY NCsoft game).

I "play" 3 of NC games. All 3 went fine till one point. And then started to decline. Hope came with classic versions... but one is already sinking. Lets pray that the second wont....

My one request on this is that IF it's not going the way that you all like, please give me a little time to make that clear to the teams here. I know that internally we all want this game to be loved, and to be successful. I would work hard to ensure that your feedback is heard if there are things you do not like at launch.

Just want to share that because I know there is receptiveness internally to listen, and respond.

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