Your Aion Classic is unplayable.

[Eliseth]

16 hours ago, Cyfur said:

People didn't know how to run bots.

 

Please. Aion always had bots, even in 2009-2010. The difference is that back then you had an in game report function and GMs that actually gave a nyerk and did their jobs. Bots got reported and banned, as did kinah buyers, and so it never grew into a big problem.

(Aion had fantastic and responsive GMs in general back then, you could even report people for trade in LFG chat and they'd get chat muted for a while)

There are bots and cheaters in every online game, they always find a way. What matters is whether the company running the game is doing something about it.

Edited March 29, 2023 by Eliseth

[Beast-KT]

On 3/17/2023 at 7:25 AM, Xsayax said:

 

I am supporter of eastern games and anime as this is to be found profoundly spiritual, Aion is like that. Classic is like that, moreover it supports the constant and goes against, the current dying trend or fad, that insults the how shall we put this, ''relevant'' game players cosmetology....intelligence.

Its also,good to see the correct concerns about proper game play mechanics being referenced...but not in any negative or fatalistic, fashion about the game

Aion is a game about right turns-very much to do with vitality and life instinct, its to play, if one is to play a mmo, for the mind. Intelligent people cannot be passively entertained but gain something from everything  in experience.

As classic was made this is self evident, consider the integrity involved from the Eastern publisher. 

Aion, is intelligent, there must have been some upset due to fad, with player response unable to play the game, this is unwelcome. The response this, protecting the content, ie locking it off...in a contextual sense....ie: there you are....for love of the game. This could be rightly...also..satire.

Classic is Aion.

In summation the player base is, should stay positive, and thereby, working to encourage appreciation of Aion and positive thought is important. I know the publishers will resolve any issues. Things are not always what the appear to be to some.

 

thats a whole lot of words to say absolutely nothing. sorry carry on

[Locke]

On 3/24/2023 at 6:45 PM, Stormwing said:

@Locke:
Was tempted to do an analysis of your points indeed, but I figured it wasted effort. In the end Shirene was merely sharing her/his experience comparing both retail and classic 1.x/2.x and apparently people agree with the impression judging the likes. Some points are true, some are not, some points I agree on, some I do not. You wrote your opinion about the current state of the game, with some true points and some wrong points and many inaccurate ones.

I am going to give you one example, for the sake of it, which is your first point:
You literally wrote You can easily clear Besh Temple without stigmas. Like it is a common thing to have full groups without stigmata clearing Beshmundir Temple. However, you go one how important damage is to jinx mechanics which is the reason you value manastones higher than enchantments and stigmata. I hope we do not need a deep statistical analysis to agree that an average sorceress with 2000 magic boost casting flame spray and glacial shard (=stigmata) does more damage than one with 2700 magic boost not using any stigmata. Even if people started clearing Beshmundir Temple easily without stigmata suddenly, that was not Shirenes point at all. We all know that Aion has no challenging PvE mechanics.

I could dissect and rebut pretty much any of your paragraphs, but it is just a moo point at this stage. I accept your opinion, as I do Shirenes, since everyone experiences the game differently and everyone recalls the start of retail differently. Yet at the end of the day, both are more opinions than facts. You wrote What pisses me off about everyone here, is how you think you know everything. You don't know while you are exactly the same and act like you are the only person who played retail and classic from the start.

1. It's common for people to not change stigmas for Besh.

2. Sorcs are the easiest class to do high DPS with in Besh.

3. You don't need high DPS for Besh.

4. Manastones are many times more expensive than a stigma.

5. You can afford a stigma in a week.

6. Manastone probability is a university math problem. That is the reason for "statistical analysis". Don't be flippant.

I don't act like people here. They're arguing only with feelings. I write as accurately as I can, so I can be proven wrong. Others reply as brief and vaguely as possible because what they write is BS. No matter how careful my words are, they are ignored. Crackshot's deleted comment called me a bootlicker, which is the opposite of everything I wrote. When I tell him to read my history, of course, another snowflake "Passionate One" is offended by that. Meanwhile, Shriene ignores every post with the probability to get unlucky, and even ignores their own tests because they didn't like the results.

Support is awful: agree

Bots should be banned: agree

Stigmas should be increased: agree

Manastones should be increased: agree

Enchants should be increased: agree

Godstones should be increased: agree

Can't play the game: DISAGREE

Can't afford stigmas: DISAGREE

Can't clear Besh without specific stigmas: DISAGREE

Newest gear is the best: DISAGREE

Gear to kill Padma/Unyielding should be easy to obtain: DISAGREE

Classic is harder than OG retail: DISAGREE

 

I'm not sure if you read the nasty comments on this post before they got deleted. The hate machine here just couldn't handle someone who isn't 100% onboard.

The point of my last post is how stupid the "I'm taking my money elsewhere" thing is, when this is the way things have always been. I can't understand the people here who cancel their aura for a week and come back, sell their accounts and come back, or say they won't give money to NC then give it to GameForge. I told Shirene in game months ago, in detail, that the game was always broken. They chose to continue playing and now write an angry reply in every thread on the forum. Then we've got Europeans, some even have young accounts or no friends, leaving in two weeks anyway. They have nothing to lose but want us to believe they're mad. Literally every time a new player posts in LFG or on forums, people reply saying they shouldn't play because NC sucks. It's not like you didn't know that NC doesn't care about you. Part of the reason why I'm posting is because this is all so fake. Yeah drops should be fixed, but you're all full of it, so much theater. lol

[Shirene-DN]

23 minutes ago, Locke said:

Then we've got Europeans, some even have young accounts or no friends, leaving in two weeks anyway. They have nothing to lose but want us to believe

Do you realize most of the active players in the server are Europeans? in any case, this "we" is us, the Europeans, we make up most of the playerbase, not americans who are a small minority here. This is our server, we are not the outsiders.

And back when I started things were not this bad as they've been for the past 2 months.

Edited March 30, 2023 by Shirene-DN

[Squid]

5 minutes ago, Shirene-DN said:

Do you realize most of the active players in the server are Europeans? in any case, this "we" is us, the Europeans, we make up most of the playerbase, not americans who are a small minority here. This is our server, we are not the outsiders.

And back when I started things were not this bad as they've been for the past 2 months.

If this is true let them find this out the hard way in 2 weeks LOL. Maybe that is why they are leaving it broken they want all the EU players out to see if they can or can not shut down the server LOL.

Edited March 30, 2023 by Squid

[Shirene-DN]

Quote

write an angry reply

How so? I wrote a detailed criticism bringing up the issues most (new and old) players are facing right now for a service they are paying for. Quoting myself:

Quote

these are my thoughts on some key areas

 

[Stormwing]

To be fair, most of the european players on Aion Classic NA I know, would never know who many non european players there are because they simply never play during those peak times on weekdays. So all that talk about server getting empty might or might not be true. However, since NcWest managed to nyerk off even the last loyal fanboys during the last month, I would not be surprised. Gameforge used to communicate better, but at the end of the day both get the client from NcSoft and can not apply changes on their own. And their excuse of technical issues with the launcher for over a year, which every private server fixed within a couple of days, is laughable at best.

@Locke: Thank you for the reply. I confess that I did not read it entirely, because like I wrote before, it is irrelevant to me. Just one point, which we seem to disagree on totally. For me, you write very emotionally and inaccuratly. Mayhap your choice of words or otherwise just my lack of comprehension.

[Eliseth]

1 hour ago, Stormwing said:

To be fair, most of the european players on Aion Classic NA I know, would never know who many non european players there are because they simply never play during those peak times

This is true, but even if it's 50/50, it would be a disaster for the server if they all left. Think of the broker, for example. It already suffers from low trade on most items and is often completely out of many items. Cut the playerbase in half and this issue will get a lot  worse.

[Stormwing]

@Eliseth:
NcWest had enough chances in proving or just pretending to care about players. They pretty much proved everyone otherwise, which was expectable given their past history. While they can change the droprate and adjust certain settings, they most likely can not get back the players who quit or the ones moving to EU. At the start of Aion Classic NA it was even advertised as european friendly by NcWest itself and they added contact details for them in the UK and their representative in the EU. Most EU players I talked to, would have actually stayed if it was not for arena and dredgion times and maybe two sieges a week they could actually attend to. Even neglecting the better ping. They do not really like to start anew once more. However, ingame and often on the board players from EU were shunned and told off. I can relate for any european leaving this server behind.

You have to keep in mind that most (my assumption) players playing Aion Classic used to play retail and quit at one point due to the direction the game took and the huge mismanagement that took place. While some kept up with it on retail for years hoping for a better time, they do not fall for that trap a second time. And this time, they leave for good.

Edited March 30, 2023 by Stormwing

[Shirene-DN]

2 hours ago, Stormwing said:

NcSoft and can not apply changes on their own

There is a lot they can do on their own, as well as making up for the disruption with free manastones/stigmas/enchants surveys.

[Stormwing]

@Shirene-DN:
That is a point indeed. Given they can control those surveys on their own. As a temporary fix to gab the time until an actual solution gets provided. Better would be tho to not let shit happen again.. and again.. and again. Every legitimate player that quits at this point is bad for the game. Even if they just lose ten players each screw up/each week it is too many.

In the end, NcWest just would have needed to show that they care.

Edited March 30, 2023 by Stormwing

[Vadux]

14 hours ago, Shirene-DN said:

Do you realize most of the active players in the server are Europeans? in any case, this "we" is us, the Europeans, we make up most of the playerbase, not americans who are a small minority here. This is our server, we are not the outsiders.

And back when I started things were not this bad as they've been for the past 2 months.

It doesn't matter how many of whoever are on it. End of the day this is still an NA server. So actually EU players or anyone outside of NA are the outsiders here.

Edited March 30, 2023 by Vadux

[Cyfur]

10 hours ago, Vadux said:

It doesn't matter how many of whoever are on it. End of the day this is still an NA server. So actually EU players or anyone outside of NA are the outsiders here.

I don't believe the claim that most of the active Classic players are from the EU, Aion retail doesn't have many EU players because there has always been EU version, which shows there is a sufficient NA player base to keep the server going.

There is a huge Latina portion in Classic, and by definition, they are not from the EU. I have stopped playing Aion, but I bet there will be reports here about the change in player numbers when the EU goes live. I would be really surprised if it has a great impact.  Peak online times in Classic are after midnight in the EU. Most EU people have lives, so they go to sleep, therefore the vast majority of online players at peak times, should be from other locations than the EU.

[Shirene-DN]

There you go, 92 yellow stones for a 5-slot eternal

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Success: 48 (52.17%)
Failures: 44 (47.83%)

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[Shirene-DN]

Another one, 66 stones

Manatones:
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Success: 37 (56.06%)
Failures: 29 (43.94%)

[Shirene-DN]

Another 100 yellow stones for a 3rd 5-slot: still empty.

[Kickenklober]

55e Chain pilus enchant and manasocket done back-to-back

Edited March 31, 2023 by Kickenklober

[Asha]

On 3/28/2023 at 7:55 AM, Passionate One said:

 

Then you can have the BEST Cleric in the game healing, but without Splendor of Pacification you need to be nimble quick to double dispel to keep the group from wiping. While it is possible to do, its frustrating and again the elitist bullies (some are same said people that sell stigma for 30mil+) blame the cleric for the wipe and end up kicking the cleric thereby cheating them of the main reason they are there.

 

Single dispel should always be placed somewhere its easy to access.  I put mine in slot 4 so I can just click on my mouse.  Its very close to where my thumb naturally sits.  You may die from me not healing you.  But almost never from not getting dispelled.  Just organize your group in priority to whos going to need most of your attention.  

This thought process here is why I am opposed to fast leveling.  People need time playing their classes and learning the skills- what they do and situations when to use them.  Also why Im not a fan of people buying accounts.  The community doesnt make it any easier by talking down to people asking for advice.   

Yall getting heated over manastone socketing success when the list of problems with aion is  longer than my arm.   And you know they are reading.  Posts get deleted and nothing changes.  These forums are basically the same cycle as the retail ones.  Going to stop there before I get another strike on my account for a truth someone doesnt want to hear.

[Asha]

On 3/30/2023 at 7:00 PM, Cyfur said:

I don't believe the claim that most of the active Classic players are from the EU, Aion retail doesn't have many EU players because there has always been EU version, which shows there is a sufficient NA player base to keep the server going.

Retail is only active during sieges- which are only twice a week.  There are no more pvp instances.  Just whales roaming OW to show off how much money they spent on the paragon gear from the store.   Or their ulti xforms.   

 It takes longer to make a group than to run an instance in both versions unless you have a static.  Other than logging in to pay my housing once a month I havent been on retail in like 3 months.  Got tired of wasting hours of my life not accomplishing anything.  And yes.  Im keeping my mansion-  the same way some people desperately cling to the ranks on their bought toons!  Nyerk!

 

 

[Shirene-DN]

2 hours ago, Asha said:

Single dispel should always be placed somewhere its easy to access.  I put mine in slot 4 so I can just click on my mouse.  Its very close to where my thumb naturally sits.  You may die from me not healing you.  But almost never from not getting dispelled.  Just organize your group in priority to whos going to need most of your attention.  

This thought process here is why I am opposed to fast leveling.  People need time playing their classes and learning the skills- what they do and situations when to use them.  Also why Im not a fan of people buying accounts.  The community doesnt make it any easier by talking down to people asking for advice.   

Yall getting heated over manastone socketing success when the list of problems with aion is  longer than my arm.   And you know they are reading.  Posts get deleted and nothing changes.  These forums are basically the same cycle as the retail ones.  Going to stop there before I get another strike on my account for a truth someone doesnt want to hear.

The point of group dispell stigma is to access the AP support tree.

[Zarbi]

Well I am asleep when the EU would be playing Aion so it's very likely I am not going to notice a thing.

Even things like Siege time, it's 1am in London so the EU would already be logging off.

Edited April 4, 2023 by Zurl

[Heathen]

NCWest hates its customers but loves their money. They'll stop and nothing to take every last cent while gaslighting their customers regarding fixes and improvements. Garbage. Never ever another NC game - as I tell everyone I talk to about MMO's. 

[Xsayax]

All that needs fixed is 2-3 kinah on a spriggin because it seems odd he doesn't have it on him, and green starter pants on a mu, to put things in perspective.

1 to 2 kinah each as a normal game play mmo expected mechanic for completion kill/loot... as the expected thing when one plays.

Not having seems odd to the player...not to get a small coin drop/mana stone ond or green item...like it always has been as part of the 1-10 experience and there after to degree.

The loot coin mechanic, ''even 1 kinah'', makes things seem normal and that's not going to help any cheaters.

Aion is a good game. Players that have played Aion/mmo think this odd and get confused.  Aion is well worth playing just for the lore alone.

Hope that puts things in perspective. That is it. All else is fine. The Aion team is very considerate even about maintenance, good costumer service, with shop.

 

[Shirene-DN]

1 single stigma in broker for 3 months, at 50M = 3 months where new (and old) sorcs can't use their pvp stigma tree.

[Passionate One]

On 4/2/2023 at 10:35 PM, Asha said:

Single dispel should always be placed somewhere its easy to access.  I put mine in slot 4 so I can just click on my mouse.  Its very close to where my thumb naturally sits.  You may die from me not healing you.  But almost never from not getting dispelled.  Just organize your group in priority to whos going to need most of your attention.  

This thought process here is why I am opposed to fast leveling.  People need time playing their classes and learning the skills- what they do and situations when to use them.  Also why Im not a fan of people buying accounts.  The community doesnt make it any easier by talking down to people asking for advice.   

Yall getting heated over manastone socketing success when the list of problems with aion is  longer than my arm.   And you know they are reading.  Posts get deleted and nothing changes.  These forums are basically the same cycle as the retail ones.  Going to stop there before I get another strike on my account for a truth someone doesnt want to hear.

Yep. Pulled out my bag of tricks granted its about 10 years old lol. Like you said you wont die from the dot, well the tank wont anyway . I have played a healer sometimes reluctantly in most games I have played. I can deal with asshats. Its just about the GP of it all sometimes. Tell people "dont come back til youre geared/stig'd....but ahem just how are ya gonna do that without robbing the poor shugo!?! Helping each other to a point helps people learn. But when we are all out for ourselves just trying to nickel and dime to get needed in game junk it just makes it more frustrating and more toxic. Especially when any other game I have played they F it up, hot fix within days not months. Or atleast they have explained so the player base knows. Not really heater over stones since I have no gear to actually put it on ROFL.....which is a whole other other other issue!

On 4/3/2023 at 1:27 AM, Shirene-DN said:

The point of group dispell stigma is to access the AP support tree.

There for if you choose to want to spec into said tree....you can not...... thats kind of the point as to why many clerics are looking for it. The single push dispel is just nice to have to boot

On 3/30/2023 at 10:00 PM, Cyfur said:

I don't believe the claim that most of the active Classic players are from the EU, Aion retail doesn't have many EU players because there has always been EU version, which shows there is a sufficient NA player base to keep the server going.

There is a huge Latina portion in Classic, and by definition, they are not from the EU. I have stopped playing Aion, but I bet there will be reports here about the change in player numbers when the EU goes live. I would be really surprised if it has a great impact.  Peak online times in Classic are after midnight in the EU. Most EU people have lives, so they go to sleep, therefore the vast majority of online players at peak times, should be from other locations than the EU.

In OG Aion I actually left NA server as it was so congested you couldnt more. We played on the EU server Oceana I think it was, and then it was merged. There were scads of EU players back then, I can say how many  now as its nowhere near what it was.....sigh. Sad. Miss my EU Babies.